I mentioned the Louisiana Purchase, the Spanish-American war, the Civil War, our involvement in the Cuban revolution, our involvement in the Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan, and our involvement in Korea and Vietnam.

He said those don't count.

The Louisiana Purchase and the running off of those natives was justified because it was purchased.
The Spanish - American war was justified cause the Spanish stole the land too.
The Civil War was justified to preserve the nation.
Iraq was justified for anti-terror reasons. Same with Afghanistan.
Korea and Vietnam were justified because they wanted to be free and we were saving them from communism.
Cuba and the Philippines were examples of us helping to establish democracy.

He said we were justified to embargo against the Japanese, the prime cause for our involvement in WWII, because it was a preventative measure to get us into the war, because the axis forces were taking over the world. I said preventative war was Adolf Hitler's reasoning for invading Czechoslovakia and Poland. He said how dare I compare us to the Nazis because they rounded up people in concentration camps and killed them. I mentioned the concentration camps here that held hundreds of thousands of Japanese-Americans. He said those don't count because it was war time and we had to stop the spies. I said "So let me get this straight, when the entire purpose of the war was to fight fascism, it's okay to do so by implementing fascism on your own people?" He said yes.

I am not entirely sure how to respond to this man, this kind of makes me want to scream.

Hmmmm, the person sounds like someone that accepts no one's opinion...

All I can say is don't try and fight, and just accept that he will not listen to other points of view...

It's rather difficult, he waves his opinion around like a banner.

There is something most people don´t know about those Concentration camps. Well, it´s more about the guards. As the order, to kill every prisoner in them came, some soldiers said no. They will not follow this order. And not just soldiers. Even some commanders have said no. And they also wasn´t been killed by commandos, because of the war there was mostly no time for an execution of those "traitors". So, not every german soldier had forget what humanity means. But those are the forgotten soldiers, behind the dark curtain of history.
I just wanted to say this, because some people don´t know that.

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You tried this with the America thread.
Please stop with this type of posts Teen

LastArcher wrote:There is something most people don´t know about those Concentration camps. Well, it´s more about the guards. As the order, to kill every prisoner in them came, some soldiers said no. They will not follow this order. And not just soldiers. Even some commanders have said no. And because of the war there was mostly no time for an execution of those "traitors". So, not every german soldier had forget what humanity means. But those are the forgotten soldiers, behind the dark curtain of history.
I just wanted to say this, because some people don´t know that.

IIRC the order to liquidate the jews only came because Germany was losing the war. Theoretically if WWII was handled differently 6 million jews could have been saved.

Oh and the America thread was pure genius, this is just me struggling to come to terms with the mentality of the average right wing American, which my dad happens to be.

TeenageAngst wrote:
He said those don't count.

The Louisiana Purchase and the running off of those natives was justified because it was purchased.
The Spanish - American war was justified cause the Spanish stole the land too.
The Civil War was justified to preserve the nation.
Iraq was justified for anti-terror reasons. Same with Afghanistan.
Korea and Vietnam were justified because they wanted to be free and we were saving them from communism.
Cuba and the Philippines were examples of us helping to establish democracy.

first off - sorry for assuming you where trying to cause troube TA.

so your father claims these didn't happen. So how does he explain thier presence in history ?
This appears to be an intresting thread.

Because "empire" is a word. Words have a denotation (a dictionary definition) and a connotation (a feeling/common definition, attached to the word). Yes, the United States was, and probably still is, an empire under the textbook definition of empire. The implied meaning behind the word, however, conjurs unsavory thoughts of oppressive, violent, and abusive people, solely consumed with conquering the world. Before anyone says something, no, I don't feel Americans in general fit the stereotype. Others are free to disagree.

TeenageAngst wrote:

IIRC the order to liquidate the jews only came because Germany was losing the war. Theoretically if WWII was handled differently 6 million jews could have been saved.

Wow. You do understand that the *VAST* majority of that number were killed prior to the extermination order, either by starvation, torture, general neglect experimentation, or good ol' fashioned gas chambers? Excellent troll post, sir. I'm simply awed.

You've somehow managed to blame the Allied nations for Nazis deciding to murder 6 million people. Good show. So how do you propose they should have handled the scenario "differently", aside from not winning the war?

LastArcher wrote:There is something most people don´t know about those Concentration camps. Well, it´s more about the guards. As the order, to kill every prisoner in them came, some soldiers said no. They will not follow this order. And not just soldiers. Even some commanders have said no. And they also wasn´t been killed by commandos, because of the war there was mostly no time for an execution of those "traitors". So, not every german soldier had forget what humanity means. But those are the forgotten soldiers, behind the dark curtain of history.
I just wanted to say this, because some people don´t know that.

This is true.

The implied meaning behind the word, however, conjurs unsavory thoughts of oppressive, violent, and abusive people, solely consumed with conquering the world.

A cursory glance at our foreign policy and the neoconservative political theory will show all of that is going on.

Wow. You do understand that the *VAST* majority of that number were killed prior to the extermination order, either by starvation, torture, general neglect experimentation, or good ol' fashioned gas chambers? Excellent troll post, sir. I'm simply awed.

You've somehow managed to blame the Allied nations for Nazis deciding to murder 6 million people. Good show. So how do you propose they should have handled the scenario "differently", aside from not winning the war?

No, I said If I Remember Correctly and theoretically. Now if I said something like "It's all the allies fault because it's historic fact the germans weren't killing jews until the allies were at the gates boo america" then your post might be justified. Apparently it seems I remembered incorrectly.